Curse

lyra_song · Aug 14, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

TexMod is a third-party tool to allow the opening and exploration of files within a .dat archive. Files can be extracted and manipulated, in this case textures, and effectively injected back into the game, albeit locally by launching gw.exe through TexMod.

Ummm...that looks like reverse-engineering and modified game execution to me. It may only be for visual purposes on a local machine, but again, my point is they're allowing GW to be launched via a third-party tool whose sole purpose is to modify game content. And the company position of allowing this to happen is the starting point of the slippery slope.

Until we know what is the cause, theres no direct correlation that texture modding is the cause or modding is even the cause of this.

As such, your slippery slope is fallacious.

Completely blaming Anet for anything and everything their user base instead of directing it at those malicious/manipulative/exploiting individuals is irresponsible.

All the data in the .dat stays the same. The .exe is not modified at all. The only thing being modified is what the user sees. Its the equivalent to me sending the video data to a black and white TV and viewing it through that.

Hell. I could DRAW on top of my LCD screen and have the same effect.

AscalonWarrior · Aug 14, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

He probably got that Mallyx to there when players had access to their gh from Pre Sear.

Karlos · Aug 14, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm confused. Why shouldn't a player have a Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing? I have certain codes on my account now. If I make a character and enable that code while in Pre-Searing, that's where the miniature will appear on my account.

There is no "No miniatures in Pre-Searing" protocol in Guild Wars. I have a Kuunavang in Pre-Searing myself.

Could you explain why this is a "glitch?"

Because Kuunavang is part of the Birthday series, Gaile... Mallyx is not. Here:

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Miniature

Mallyx is ONLY obtained by opening Coffers of Whispers, whic are only obtained in the Domain of Anguish which is why that seller in the picture is proudly proclaiming he's selling the only one in Pre-searing.

Coridan · Aug 14, 2007, 03:14 PM // 15:14

[Quote by Anthitheses] Ummm...that looks like reverse-engineering and modified game execution to me. It may only be for visual purposes on a local machine, but again, my point is they're allowing GW to be launched via a third-party tool whose sole purpose is to modify game content. And the company position of allowing this to happen is the starting point of the slippery slope. [/Quote]

This text modding or running GW thru a 3rd party program is nothing new...anyone remember 3dfxanalyzer http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=35043

Gaile Gray · Aug 14, 2007, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by spellsword

You get Mallyx from the Coffer of Whispers, which you can't get in Presear.

Thank you! It's early yet, and I didn't get much sleep!

Now I understand the concern. Let me ask about this.

Pkest · Aug 14, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm confused. Why shouldn't a player have a Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing? I have certain codes on my account now. If I make a character and enable that code while in Pre-Searing, that's where the miniature will appear on my account.

There is no "No miniatures in Pre-Searing" protocol in Guild Wars. I have a Kuunavang in Pre-Searing myself.

Could you explain why this is a "glitch?"

Kuunie was a code. Asura was a code. Are you saying there is a code for Mallyx? Thought he only came out of a coffer. Also this is about a new hack that allows a working guild hall button to be added to the ui that allows travel to gh from pre.

Antithesis · Aug 14, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by arcanemacabre

You are misinformed. That's not what TexMod does at all. It runs alongside the game and "captures" (for lack of a better term) the textures that are displayed and brought into temporary memory. You can then do what you want with them, then run TexMod again to "capture" those specific textures, and overwrite them in the same temporary memory. It never touches any Guild Wars game files at all. Guild Wars is not altered in any way, even on the client side. Only that which is displayed is altered.

I'm not disagreeing with you and i do see how TexMod works. It's the simple fact that GW can be launched with TexMod and the presentation of the content can be altered (i realise the exe and .dat are not altered by TexMod, apologies for the lack of clarity), be it in temporary memory outside the game or not that bothers me. If it can be done with textures then *perhaps* it can be done to run scripts to alter game behaviour be it injection or blockage.

Isn't that how some unlimited energy / health / lives hacks work for other games? The game data isn't altered, the exe isn't altered, but the game behaviour is modified by an external application intercepting calls within the code. In this case they may have discovered a disabled UI component in GW.dat that when reactivated makes a call to the existing GH travel code - inserting the UI item back into the game allows pre's to interact with post's and smuggle items back in.

I really don't know and am purely speculating. Put it down to an overactive imagination and creating a storm in a teacup...i'm just anal-retentive about the whole "third-party" thing

Buggers me what they can do about it...

VorianVader · Aug 14, 2007, 03:17 PM // 15:17

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm confused. Why shouldn't a player have a Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing? I have certain codes on my account now. If I make a character and enable that code while in Pre-Searing, that's where the miniature will appear on my account.
There is no "No miniatures in Pre-Searing" protocol in Guild Wars. I have a Kuunavang in Pre-Searing myself.
Could you explain why this is a "glitch?"

Because unlike Kuunavang and other minis; mallyx is not a birthday miniature. To my recollection, you can only get Mallyx from a coffer of whispers in the DoA. So by logical extension, to get Mallyx to pre, you must have gotten him in post on another character and then transferred by some means to pre.

arcanemacabre · Aug 14, 2007, 03:19 PM // 15:19

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Thank you! It's early yet, and I didn't get much sleep!

Now I understand the concern. Let me ask about this.

As was said in the dupe thread:

"Well, gang, looks like we have another mystery on our hands!"

Time to split up. Daphne, uhh, I mean Gaile, you go with Velma. Scooby and Shaggy, you're with me.

zwei2stein · Aug 14, 2007, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm confused. Why shouldn't a player have a Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing? I have certain codes on my account now. If I make a character and enable that code while in Pre-Searing, that's where the miniature will appear on my account.

There is no "No miniatures in Pre-Searing" protocol in Guild Wars. I have a Kuunavang in Pre-Searing myself.

Could you explain why this is a "glitch?"

Kuunavang is totally possible in presearing, but countless minipers are definitelly not: Greased lightning, Ghostly hero, MALLYX, because there is no legit way to spawn them in presearing, because they are not given at b-day, and they are no obtainable by /bonus.

Unless there is dev running around spawning those minis in pre, there is no other explanation that someone has mallyx than that there is exploit that allows smuggling postsearing things to presearing. AGAIN.

TheRaven · Aug 14, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I'm confused. Why shouldn't a player have a Miniature Mallyx in Pre-Searing? I have certain codes on my account now. If I make a character and enable that code while in Pre-Searing, that's where the miniature will appear on my account.

There is no "No miniatures in Pre-Searing" protocol in Guild Wars. I have a Kuunavang in Pre-Searing myself.

Could you explain why this is a "glitch?"

MiniPets come in 3 categories.
1. Birthday Gifts (Bone Dragon, Djinn, etc)
2. Keycode access (Asura, Kuunie,etc)
3. Chest rewards (Ghostly Hero, Mallyx)

Categories 1 and 2 are legit pets to find in pre. Perma-Pre characters can have a birthday while in Pre and Keycode pets can be created by the Pre characters.

Category 3 is off limits to pre until you find a legit Pre character that can win Halls or open a coffer of whispers.

dread pirate fargus · Aug 14, 2007, 03:21 PM // 15:21

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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus

in the presearing community it has been accepted pretty much widespread that some characters were left 'parked' in the guild hall for a full year.

we all knew people were camping in the guild hall until they could fill the characters with stuff, we just werent sure how long they were willing to wait.

i dont beleive for a second its a hack.

maybe i didnt make it clear, i meant that they had been camped there ever since the first glitch, with a 1 way back to pre via the 'leave guild hall' button

Big_Iron · Aug 14, 2007, 03:24 PM // 15:24

I don't think it's been proven that this guy used a hack or an exploit. It may be as simple as what someone mentioned above. Maybe he's been camped out in his GH for the last year. Hey, people do the craziest things.

That said, nothing is unhackable. If he did hack the client we should be looking at another perma-ban.

Gaile Gray · Aug 14, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus

maybe i didnt make it clear, i meant that they had been camped there ever since the first glitch, with a 1 way back to pre via the 'leave guild hall' button

That's an interesting theory. I would imagine it's entirely possible, but I've inquired if the designers can give this some thought, and I am sure they will.

(And thank you, everyone, for your quick and informative responses to my earlier question. I feel rather silly for asking, but boy, I get it now.

)

Karlos · Aug 14, 2007, 03:25 PM // 15:25

Ok guys... I think she gets it now..

MirkoTeran · Aug 14, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Just for info: there is no point in 'hacking' .DAT file. That is just their virtual file-system warped into one file. Unless the actions are scripted and scripts are loaded from there that has little point.

Karlos · Aug 14, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by dread pirate fargus

maybe i didnt make it clear, i meant that they had been camped there ever since the first glitch, with a 1 way back to pre via the 'leave guild hall' button

That makes little sense however... Why bring his character out of the guild hall JUST before GW:EN comes out? Why try and sell Mallyx in Pre-Searing where he will never get anything close to it's real value and months after it had its peak value? I mean if all he had is a one way ticket, he sure chose a really bad time to use it.

Big_Iron · Aug 14, 2007, 03:32 PM // 15:32

^^ EDIT> Karlos beat me to it

What I don't get is why would someone take a mini-Mallyx to Pre to sale anyway? Most people in Pre wouldn't have enough gold yet to buy it. You're kind of limiting your market to a very, very small group.

Pkest · Aug 14, 2007, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

That's an interesting theory. I would imagine it's entirely possible, but I've inquired if the designers can give this some thought, and I am sure they will.

(And thank you, everyone, for your quick and informative responses to my earlier question. I feel rather silly for asking, but boy, I get it now.

)

Did you see the part about this being a new hack that puts a working guild hall button on your ui so you can travel to gh from pre? There are supposedly tomes and all sorts of stuff flowing into pre now.

Theosebes · Aug 14, 2007, 03:38 PM // 15:38

For those who are doubting the reality of this: let me reiterate what several have already said. This is not a redux of the Guild Hall bug. This is a simple texture mod client-side that does nothing more than make the Guild Hall button available to the player when he wouldn't otherwise have it available. Tomes, Mallyx minis, Green Weapons, XP scrolls, and other things that are not normally found in Pre-Searing are now showing up in increasing number.

Bags used to be the thing, then expert salvage kits. Anet cut the legs out from the black market by making those things drop in Pre. Now it's tomes and XP Scrolls.

The good news is that a mallyx mini is easy to spot. The bad news is that an LDoA who used XP scrolls or someone in pre that has a hard res and elite skills are much harder to spot (for the players).

I am sure that Anet will ban those that have abused this, but in the meantime we have another imbalance in the Presearing economy